Curse

crystalklear64 · Aug 10, 2006, 05:18 AM // 05:18

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Originally Posted by Maria The Princess

to an ebayer it sounds like this:

#1-6 month lifespan on their character: buy a used account with an old character

#2-2 Million Exp: alot of PWR lvl or see #1

#3-300 hour: afk or see #1

That arguement can be applied to anything and should be discredited as such.

Thats like saying, "Well, I could go level up, but I'm going to die in 90 years so I guess I won't."

Cacheelma · Aug 10, 2006, 05:24 AM // 05:24

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Originally Posted by Doomslay

OK, so one question why are you so against my suggestion

your argument sounds a lot like the one's used by people that don't want to change the social security system, everyone admits there's a problem but doesn't want to change the status quo, okay so what's your suggestion????

Because I don't see any problem with it?

So my suggestion would be "Let Anet do something better than fixing pointless stuff."

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Originally Posted by crystalklear64

That arguement can be applied to anything and should be discredited as such.

Thats like saying, "Well, I could go level up, but I'm going to die in 90 years so I guess I won't."

The same is true for the whole point of this thread.

"Well, I could buy FoW, but if I do I'd be wearing the same armor as that noob I saw earlier so I guess I won't"

And let me tell you, no matter how hard it is for you to get something, noobs can still get that exact same thing. One way or another.

Loralai · Aug 10, 2006, 05:26 AM // 05:26

It's just armor...it doesn't affect your playing whether or not someone less experienced wears it or not. Why worry about it at all?

Maria The Princess · Aug 10, 2006, 05:29 AM // 05:29

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Originally Posted by Doomslay

OK, so one question why are you so against my suggestion

your argument sounds a lot like the one's used by people that don't want to change the social security system, everyone admits there's a problem but doesn't want to change the status quo, okay so what's your suggestion????

the thing is that......nobody sees the problem. high end armors were meant to show off somebody's wealth, and they do the job perfectly.

and if you want to show your wealth or look diffrent, you will buy it, if no you rather buy high end weapons wich are more usefull...... if you dont have money u will farm it if you want the armor and thats it. if you wanna show skill try to get the "kind of big deal" title. that will mean more then anything u can show

just like in real life, if someone is driving a Mercedes, it doesnt mean that he is smart, it means that he had the money for it (from parents, insurance, lottery FTW)

Doomslay · Aug 10, 2006, 05:31 AM // 05:31

You know what really ticks me off I post a simple suggestion for an inprovment in the game and instead of thoughtful,insightful comments and suggestions I get slammed for even suggesting that there might be a different or better way of rewarding good game play, some people didnt even bother to read the whole post before blasting the idea.

I guess I picked the wrong place to get a fair reading

Maria The Princess · Aug 10, 2006, 05:34 AM // 05:34

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Originally Posted by crystalklear64

That arguement can be applied to anything and should be discredited as such.

Thats like saying, "Well, I could go level up, but I'm going to die in 90 years so I guess I won't."

the thing is that this is what ebayers do. alot of them buy accounts from ebay from people who quit GW and then run around in FOW armor on their ranger saying: "can anyone tell me what is max damage on a bow is?"

to normal people it sounds stupid, but anyone who ebays and who is lazy its the solution to become more l337

Eet GnomeSmasher · Aug 10, 2006, 05:43 AM // 05:43

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Originally Posted by Doomslay

Arrrggg You dont read do you :

No, youre the one who cant seem to read. Again I ask, how does your suggestion, even for a next batch of FOW armor, prevent so called noobs from getting it? Any "noob" can also do the missions that you suggested, so how is that any different than it is now?

And why are you getting ticked off? Your suggestions just dont solve anything AND there isnt a problem to begin with in the first place. Seems like youre the only one who gets annoyed with "noobs" with FOW armor. Not our fault for not sharing the same petty feelings.

Opeth11 · Aug 10, 2006, 05:47 AM // 05:47

Just think of it this way: there are loopholes in everything.

You put something new in the game, and it can be gotten in simpler ways than intended. Just like the Urgoz's Warren: 12 people? Who needs 12 when you can use three! Nightmares are spawning now? Oh, I'll just get another person to increase the killing speed, therefore making more money than before!

Complain all you want about the state of Fissure of Woe armor, it doesn't matter. There is often more than one way to do anything, as my physics teacher reminds us everyday, and that is what makes life unique.

Maria The Princess · Aug 10, 2006, 05:53 AM // 05:53

i think the only way to fix the problem is to stop the bots. i know, its an old problem, ANET is doin close to nothing, bots are hard to detect etc, but they are the onces that suply the Ebay with gold for n00bs

Doomslay · Aug 10, 2006, 05:54 AM // 05:54

The real loosers in this are those players that actually worked for their armor.

like I said before everyone knows there are ebayers ruining the game economy and the only way I can see to remedy the issue is to try to take the gold and material griding needed to get certain items and instead offer worthwhile and engaging quest worth doing yourself as an alternitive. Is that so bad an idae that you cant see its merits???

CorstedPirate · Aug 10, 2006, 05:55 AM // 05:55

Well the idea does have merit to a degree. I think the reason everyone is shooting it down is because it would be exploited.

FoW armor means a persons character is ascended and able to handle pressure in the end game areas right? Despite it being intended as a money sink it also does have that meaning to go with it. We have 2 kinds of people wearing it, those that worked for it in game and those that paid RL money for it, so what. Those that worked for it in game know who they are and won't be too bothered by accusations of having e-bayed.

Adding another armor for a new high end area that you don't need money or materials to buy??? That is just begging for exploitation even more than FoW armor, yet it is supposed to mean something. The only thing I could think of that would possibly be even close to that kind of reward would be something like the Titan Quests. Where it is required that you at least beat the last mission of the game then the end game quests too. It could be exploited by those same people that do those FoW armor runs, but it would likely cost a bit more for those that want it.

I think it is a bad idea. How about a special armor for beating every single quest and mission aside from those you can only do if you are a certain profession or repeatables. I could back something like that, if it was Prophesies or a campaign very similar.

Opeth11 · Aug 10, 2006, 05:56 AM // 05:56

Well, if the people want to pay for their armor, then they'll pay for it. The people who wanted the armor without paying with real money, well, played for it. It's a game, and you do your best to get what you want in it. So what if it's unfair? Life is unfair, and people complain. But in the end, does it even make a difference?

Doomslay · Aug 10, 2006, 06:03 AM // 06:03

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Originally Posted by CorstedPirate

How about a special armor for beating every single quest and mission aside from those you can only do if you are a certain profession or repeatables. I could back something like that, if it was Prophesies or a campaign very similar.

that is sorta what I ment a multi part quest that would involve time and effort, sure some will try to do profit from it but if

1. it takes multiple missions

2. it takes a full team < (im sure they can do it maybe not allowing less than full teams) = cost of having 6 of 7 asians working to get you through missions+time+bandwidth= maybe too much cost

Kook~NBK~ · Aug 10, 2006, 06:08 AM // 06:08

FoW armor is about vanity. It has nothing to do with being elite or having incredible skills. Once you start thinking "what should I get? 1.5k, 15k or FoW?" you're in it for the looks.

It's kinda dumb to judge someone's abilities by their armor. I've been called a noob (I'm not) because I've got 1.5k druids armor on my Female Ranger and not the 15k stuff. The only reason I don't have the 15k stuff is because I don't like the look of it.

I didn't get FoW armor for my Mesmer to show everyone how "l33t" I am (I'm not), I bought it because I didn't like the idea of someone running around the battlefield wearing a Victoria's Secret nightie. And yes, it means something to me, I worked my butt off earning the gold for it. Plus, when it came time to see the forgemaster, I fought right along with my party to get those quests done.

As for an elite mission that you have to do to get high-end armor, that could be kinda fun, if it were open to everyone. But, as has been previously mentioned, it wouldn't take long for people to figure out a way to master it and then carry people through it - like the spider capture groups in ToA, so the problem of "undeserving" people getting it anyway.

CorstedPirate · Aug 10, 2006, 06:11 AM // 06:11

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Originally Posted by Doomslay

that is sorta what I ment a multi part quest that would involve time and effort, sure some will try to do profit from it but if

1. it takes multiple missions

2. it takes a full team < (im sure they can do it maybe not allowing less than full teams) = cost of having 6 of 7 asians working to get you through missions+time+bandwidth= maybe too much cost

Sorry, but if they are going to add mission armor that has no cost and is supposed to have all of this meaning for PvE it should be for completion of the entire game. As I said, all quests and missions for said campaign. That is the only way it would mean a darned thing, and you want this armor that means something right?

This idea of having to do a few missions/mission like quests for armor already exists in FoW armor. So why would they bother to do that again except make the armor free?

Alleji · Aug 10, 2006, 06:12 AM // 06:12

Yet another "ZOMG I don't like current status symbols make new plz bai" thread...

Maria The Princess · Aug 10, 2006, 06:13 AM // 06:13

(explain the OP idea with my twist on it)

a series of quests, that do not have to be done all in same time, VERY hard quests with random spawns of enemys. at the end of every quest an NPC gives you a reward like a..... badge or something. to get the SUPER armor you need 1 of each. these badges are not usable by anyone exept for you, they are "assigned"

every quest has a diffrent one and the quest is not repeatble, meaning that once you took it, wached the end cinamatic, you still can go inside the area to have fun or farm stuff but you cant do the quest. if somebody who has quest comes along the NPC for quest reward will not appear, because you dont have the quest.

now, to not have the guild groups that "escort" noobs, and never take quest reward, lets say... the REALY REALY REALY hardest part of te quest is in the end. you absolutly cant complete it with 3-4 people because lets say, to get quest end you have to beteleported to a place. to teleport you need 8 people to stand on diffrentplatforms in same time to teleport, and as soon as you do u get "you completed the quest" thing and the end cinamatic comes along and it just wont let ppl quit right before. so nobody can repeat the quest, but can always go back with no quest

why not?

if you are an unskilled player, you will learn alot during the quests weater u want it or not.
you dont have to spend mounths in UW to get cash
this armor is gonna say: he finished the whole game, AND the REALY REALY HARD quests that are impossible to get a "ride" trough

you just wanna show that you have tons of cash? just buy the FOW armor then and leave this 1 for those who actually want to play the game and not repeatedly farm

Skids · Aug 10, 2006, 06:18 AM // 06:18

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Originally Posted by Opeth11

Well, if the people want to pay for their armor, then they'll pay for it. The people who wanted the armor without paying with real money, well, played for it. It's a game, and you do your best to get what you want in it. So what if it's unfair? Life is unfair, and people complain. But in the end, does it even make a difference?

QFT with feelin'

Doomslay · Aug 10, 2006, 06:19 AM // 06:19

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Originally Posted by Maria The Princess

(explain the OP idea with my twist on it)

a series of quests, that do not have to be done all in same time, VERY hard quests with random spawns of enemys. at the end of every quest an NPC gives you a reward like a..... badge or something. to get the SUPER armor you need 1 of each. these badges are not usable by anyone exept for you, they are "assigned"

every quest has a diffrent one and the quest is not repeatble, meaning that once you took it, wached the end cinamatic, you still can go inside the area to have fun or farm stuff but you cant do the quest. if somebody who has quest comes along the NPC for quest reward will not appear, because you dont have the quest.

now, to not have the guild groups that "escort" noobs, and never take quest reward, lets say... the REALY REALY REALY hardest part of te quest is in the end. you can complete it with 3-4 people, and as soon as you do u get "you completed the quest" thing and the end cinamatic comes along and it just wont let ppl quit right before. so nobody can repeat the quest, but can always go back with no quest

why not?

if you are an unskilled player, you will learn alot during the quests weater u want it or not.
you dont have to spend mounths in UW to get cash
this armor is gonna say: he finished the whole game, AND the REALY REALY HARD quests that are impossible to get a "ride" trough

you just wanna show that you have tons of cash? just buy the FOW armor then and leave this 1 for those who actually want to play the game and not repeatedly farm

First thank you SO MUCH, someone finnally botherd to see the idea and offer additional suggestions instead of telling everyone why it wont work. I love you even if your a man!!!!!

Cacheelma · Aug 10, 2006, 06:30 AM // 06:30

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Originally Posted by Maria The Princess

every quest has a diffrent one and the quest is not repeatble, meaning that once you took it, wached the end cinamatic, you still can go inside the area to have fun or farm stuff but you cant do the quest. if somebody who has quest comes along the NPC for quest reward will not appear, because you dont have the quest.

now, to not have the guild groups that "escort" noobs, and never take quest reward, lets say... the REALY REALY REALY hardest part of te quest is in the end. you can complete it with 3-4 people, and as soon as you do u get "you completed the quest" thing and the end cinamatic comes along and it just wont let ppl quit right before. so nobody can repeat the quest, but can always go back with no quest

I might have misunderstood you, but are you saying that in order for you to get this armor, your full team must have the quest and also you can't help your friends to get it later because if you join them, the npc won't appear?

If so.-

1. How do you know that every person in your team has the quest? (Well, they could be a way)

2. Hard missions/quests are extremely hard with PUG unless you're very lucky. So with this kind of condition, someone in a guild or someone without a guild will have to join PUG. And even though he's one of the best GW players, he might not be able to get the armor because he missed his guild team yesterday, and gets unlucky with PUG? I can imagine even more whinning threads than now...

3. Imagine that you happened to reach the quest areas late into the game time. There's nearly nobody in the area to do the quest with you because they've all gone playing some new chapters. So no matter how long you've waited, there're not enough people there to do the quest with you. And nobody can help you with that... Don't you think that's worse than current elite mission situations?